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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2017, 09:19:52 PM »




                     The lack of understanding about the PRINCIPLE OF REINCARNATION


                is consistent with the inability to grasp the NATURE OF THE SOUL.


  The most important knowledge about the principle of reincarnation, is that it is CENTRAL TO A CONSIDERABLE REALITY !

            No philosophy here ! Just pure knowledge, the Static is considering its own virtuality [this physical universe] through its numerous extensions view points, or units of time awareness, so considering its own consideration from different points of space/time...

                That is holding the whole thing in permanent perceptions, and, of course, you need to give it a logical bearing and perfect, ''justification'' in the principle of multiple incarnations, based on Ethics, only, that which, ultimately can be discovered as an ''ultimate cover up'' on Ethics itself, as ''future'' incarnations are set along the past ones, making it already done, defeating the principle of Ethics itself, all of that, to come to the realization, that Aesthetics is SENIOR TO ANYTHING !

      Souls, or thetans, are Static's attention points, from which, reality is experienced, from assumed space time points of view, or selves.
 An individual self is in the ''assuming'' BY THE SOUL,  a space time location [the self is NOT assuming the self!] The self is the time of the experience, BUT, you have THE KNOWER OF THAT EXPERIENCE!
    THE SOUL IS THE KNOWER OF THE SELF! Of course in that ACTION OF ASSUMING a particular life time, is the problem of responsibility of actions which is in question, so the principle of karma, to justify, somewhat the whole story line of this Universe!

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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2017, 10:35:42 PM »


                               Samkhya and Yoga




         Samkhya is all about understanding by discrimination, all the parts, all the levels, while Yoga is all about bringing all in ONE !

            And so, is the principle of re incarnation, that allows the Static, to experience, one at a time, a particular part of this game-universe, while entities, in their separateness, get to be understood in their particular beingness, made of charges [hard memories )?"] then, to understand their ONENESS is bringing all in ONE, which is senior to any part, this is, of course a problem of surrender to the divine, to have access to these highest level of awareness and knowledge, it is not ''mechanical'' the intellect is defeated, as a mascarade, a cover up, ultimate Yoga, brings the void, nothingness to...be !

                       All pervading, without location, or self, all is, in total synchronicity, being, and not being, in the same way! But to arrive there, Samkhya is the path, as nothing can be understood properly without picturing it out in levels, that's what the 8 DYNAMICS are all about, or the three '' modes of nature'', or '' GUNAS'', in the East, to grasp any subject, you need gradients and well defined levels, you need to ''identify''   different forces in opposition, you need to remember your future lives as well as your past ones, so you get to the point through ''Samkhya''.... to explode in the Ultimate Yoga, the revealed truth!

  Examples of dissociation to be made in ''Samkhya'':

               Separate the concept of self, from soul, the self is THE TIME OF THE EXPERIENCE while the soul, is THE KNOWER of the experience, the ''KNOWER'' of the SELF !
              Separate the concept of ACTUAL SELF from the concept of VIRTUAL SELF, one is stuck in present time, one is all you life time at once, an entity, the genetic entity, a record of all events from one self.

              Separate the concept of Ethics from morals, one is absolute and non relative, the other depends on time and locations ...

    To separate the concept of ''abilities'' from ''attributes'': The Static has abilities, but no attributes, the Static ability to COGNITE is called the ANALYSER, the Static has no attribute, but somewhat is result of all its abilities, making the Static, the ultimate RULER, while this ability is [virtually] assumed as the CONTROLER, or Shiva,[virtual reality as total record] that globality is reflected in a local entity, Krishna, the ORGANIZER !
Krishna does have attributes, one, called Iswara, is the affectation of souls to individual selves, the re-incarnation process!

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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2017, 09:10:15 PM »



                              The ultimate goal of YOGA


                 Is to dissolve the illusion of individuality

                                           To experience absolute unity

        In the absolute awareness that one can be IN the game, but still OUT of it !

    But, to make this experience,  a reality, all parts of the problem of persistence/survival should be experienced from the angle of individuality, this is it, the re-incarnation process, is just that, the experience of all ''individual parts'' as many life times, here, the Static or para-atmanam, or what is called ''Brahman'' more recently, is THE SOURCE OF ALL SOULS, so, if clearly understood that this source is self-less, it appears that this source is mocking up a way to experience ITS OWN VIRTUALITY:  this space/time reality, or, if wanna name that Entity: SHIVA ! SO, THAT SOURCE OF ALL CONSIDERATIONS IS EXPERIENCING ITS OWN. [ By putting attention to its own attention.] The principle of reincarnation is how THE STATIC IS PERSISTING AS SOULS ! This supposes the conceptualization of a ''system'' of multiple incarnations, all experienced ONE AT A TIME !And this is how reality comes in perceptions as well, see?

            TO UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE, which looks like a short cut, between ANCIENT eastern knowledge, and Scio/techno approach, it could be nice to refresh the reader about the obvious resistance to admit that this reality universe is the result of considerations alone...This ''resistances'' [charges] amount to believe that this Universe needs Energy to be in motion...each one is supposed to believe that a ''FORCE'' is behind it!

  BUT THE TRUTH IS: THIS UNIVERSE NEEDS ZERO ENERGY TO BE THERE, and THE MOTION OBSERVED OF ALL PLANETS AND STARS, NEEDS NO FORCE AT ALL TO BE OBSERVABLE ! [But you can still imagine the FORCE NEEDED TO STOP IT!]
 IN OTHER WORDS: Consciousness is still kept out the equation by the Scientists, while, from Eastern Wisdom point of view, consciousness is the only reality, this universe, a Static's virtuality, which appears in motion, once the soul has been ''affected'' a particular life time, and consequently, when the soul is assuming a space/time location or SELF. So from that time perspective, only, past and future appear to be, and motion can become an observable reality. @V$

                         

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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #63 on: June 08, 2017, 11:39:36 PM »




                                                        Hinduism is NOT a religion


          Specially if compared with what most of readers know, western culture is flooded with tribal thinking sustaining ideologies under the cover of religion/s, Islam, for ex.  is an Ideological Cult just mocking Judaism and Christianity, read the book, Mohammed don't make any secret of it, and keep in mind that only 30% of the original texts only remains, and that the ''official version''  is only a governmental creation of the time, that official version along with the order to burn any other versions, these are historical facts...no one reading my post is a Muslim, anyway...


                      The Big difference in nature in Hindu culture, is that all is focussed on personal self inquiry, well expressed by Buddhism, which is Hinduism for export...
                                         The ONLY MAIN LINE OF RESEARCH IS THAT THIS PHYSICAL WORLD IS ILLUSION

       All is focussed on the phenomenon of consciousness instead, that is the ''YOGA of the absolute''

                      WHICH MEANS THE RESEARCH OF UNITY in all phenomenon, until the phenomenal aspect of separateness itself vanishes to give place to impersonal absolute awareness, a state of oneness with the absolute, this expressed by the identity between ''ATMAN''  and  ''BRAHMAN''... NON DUALITY or ADVAITA is therefore a main current of philosophy, not understood properly, as I often see. [ western style of thoughts IS in opposition to the very idea that everyone is GOD]

                               Surrender is an other strong aspect of Hindu culture, NOT REFLECTED IN BUDDHISM !
   This is were they differ! The statement attributed to Buddha that<< there is NO GOD, NO SOUL>>,  appears to be more a political stand, [Spiritually groundless] enable Buddhism to be a real practical alternative to spread Hinduism, avoiding controversy, and AVOIDING SURRENDER !

                                SURRENDER is understood to be a process in which the heart, not the intellect, is the anchor point of the soul!

               In contrast, other fake religions, propose the way TO AVOID SURRENDER, in order to seduce the mass, and to use them for political purposes...
                                        Argos most remarkable statement is :
    << Give them the means to avoid surrender, they shall end up worshipping you>> This is to apply to many forms of worship, including Scio, and Buddhism !

                                             A ''religion'' to promote the surrender to a ''Supreme self'' has no chance at all to spread...
            But in the other hand, surrender to an abstraction is a farce, and ends up SYSTEMATICALLY in creating demonic entities, I point out a particular case: to entertain oneself with the welcoming of one entity, called Jesus, can have remarkable results, as long as it is done individually, or in small groups, this entity is NOT DEMONIC, and is probably the most compassionate ever, and ''trained'' to be so...
                                 The subjects targeted are all the lost characters, and subsequently, there is a price to pay, for using AN ENTITY FOR DEALING WITH YOUR OWN PROBLEM OF SURRENDER...

                                I encounter many cases of individuals from many different cultures, pretending to be on a ''spiritual path'' yet not having any personal ''God'' as reference, I want to stress out that the problem I see, is the LACK OF REFERENCE, not the lack of ''God'',

                  In Hinduism, it is a private problem, to understand about a ''Supreme Self'' you are not supposed to share anything about that, with anyone, even loved ones, it is a personal worship, in opposition to ''impersonal worship'' the worship of an abstraction, which mechanically triggers proselytism, invasion, violent conversion, history is clear about that !

                                  Thankx for your time, and I am NOT apologizing for any religious radicals reacting to my writings !

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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2017, 02:57:13 AM »




                 ARE YOU THE RESULT OF YOUR OWN CONSIDERATIONS?

      If so, what would happen if you stop to have ANY consideration, &l> that is what the soul is, a generator of considerations !
   
      Absolute awareness is devoid of any consideration, as well, as soon as you consider something, you just create it as true !

   *and doing so, you lower your awareness level down through all dynamics of survival, to the first dynamic, when you start to ask yourself  the question of ''WHAT IS ALL ABOUT'' ?

                                                Life is a consideration of persistence yes?

       The static is the one to make that consideration, and you relay it without discussion ! In that perspective, the soul main ability should be understood as the ability to change one's own consideration ! @V$

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        * THAT is from the highest level of awareness, devoid of any action, but able to consider its own non existence...
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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2017, 07:34:32 PM »





I am overall agreeing with what is stated in this video, just replace at 3:50 Jivas by ''ENTITIES''

  MIND by MENTAL SPACE         BUDDHI  means ''intellect''  and keep in ''mind''  that all the sub-divisions of the ''embodiement of the soul'', belong to Hindu culture, well, they had thousands years to dig the subject in sub-divisions, yet, what is missing in this video, are the Chakras, and how they are organized by the Genetic entity...here designed as PRAKRITI [in its individualized reflection]
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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2017, 11:59:26 PM »
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Namaste
                    PURUSHA and PRAKRITI


        These are concepts, in opposition, Prakriti means ''nature'' but in Sanskrit it could have dozens of meaning, so, ''nature'' is a general meaning, which itself I questioned a long time ago: what is the nature of ''nature'' itself?
 Answer: PERSISTANCE !

            Purusha has got hundred of different definitions, all depending on contexts !

         The general meaning is : the  ''soul of this universe''  which in Argos/Ron terminology, means the ''STATIC''
OR, IN OTHER WORDS, THE ORIGIN OF ALL ''SOULS/THETANS''.

  Now, if you combine both PURUSHA and PRAKRITI, in ONE single, errrrrr...phenomenon, you get: CONSCIOUSNESS.

  made of the observer, being one with what is observed. That merging being a SELF CONSCIOUS BEING, this Universe, understood in its space/time globality, [global integration/non locality] standing for the very definition of ONE ENTITY !

          The rest is mankind history...

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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2017, 04:01:37 AM »




                             LET'S ENTER THE CORE OF IT


            No one is supposed to know that the feeling of presence experienced permanently while awake, is not one's own presence, but is the result of a mechanism. One can find out quickly that fact,  by voluntary ''creating'' its own presence, one will find out, firstly, that no one is there, contrary to what one is assuming, but, as well, that this particular feel, which is called ''presence'' is not even one's own creation, so, what is it?

                          The mechanism by which one is believing in its own ''presence'' is hidden, in the mechanism of ATTENTION itself!

             Attention is coming from...THE OTHER....and that is true for all those ''others'' as well, the concept of ''THE OTHER'' is to be seen, incarnated by all terminals around, but not by the seer, the other...is the other, it is a mental concept, see?

              The son could say to his father: << I know the Attention is coming from YOU, father!>>

              And the father can answer: << The attention is coming from YOU, my son!>> They both right!

              If you get that, you understand that something is beyond reach here ! something is hidden!
 Yes it is, if you summarize the whole phenomenon, ATTENTION COMES FROM THE BIG ''OTHER''

                              and that big other is the ''right owner''  of this universe, imagined by the static, in order to have this illusion of reality to persist, but to have this reality universe illusion to persist, some witness need to be ''there'' to assess it! To assess the persistence of the illusion!
          That is the ''presence'' we are speaking about, from beginning
                           the mechanism of the creation of that presence is here exposed...the presence you actually experience, is not yours, it is created, it is a creation, that you experience, giving you, the soul, the illusion TO BE THERE !!

                                     What you experience, is the presence of the right owner of this universe!
  And, of course, it is from that owner, that the attention comes from, BUT, as the ''presence'' you experience is pure illusion''...the origin of the attention is as well, the origin of all illusions! The master of all illusions, being, himself the big illusion, the incarnation of all desires of beingness, projected by the static[paramatma] the desire of identity, the desire to be the embodiment of the truth, a ''Supreme Self Consciousness'', the personalization and characterization of the truth! The ONENESS from all separate living entities! [to name him God, is not an option, until you teach 5 years old.]

                   Hare krishna
                                                                                     
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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2017, 02:00:56 AM »




                                              The truth is a personal matter !

        The most difficult point I know to be shared with others, is the relation which is between ''CONSCIOUSNEES'' THE PHENOMENON, and its fundamental aspect, which is to be a ''PERSONAL'' dimension inherent to that phenomenon itself!

            Consciousness is not separated from the existence of this permanent illusion, consciousness is SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS,  it can't be otherwise, and this is so obvious, that it is , most of the time, bypassed...
                       This complete 'conflation'' is identical to the conflation/confusion, between ''CONSCIOUSNESS'' and its inherent main only ''quality'' which is that it is a totally personal matter!
                I am willing to give it to you in one go:

                               << The only ''GOD'' to worship is you !>>

          I explain, the illusion of perceptions has only one goal, to make you believe you are here to perceive them !

                 So, the permanent illusion...is YOU ! and all is designed this way ! Even more blasting is the fact that this illusion of a permanent observer, that you call ''yourself'', is NOT CREATED BY YOU...but, as a soul, you don't have anything else to chew on...

      So, the question arises, if you are not the ONE to create your own presence, how is it created for you, to be experienced, by YOU,THE SOUL?
                                 Here it is, the phenomenon of consciousness is the way by which the whole thing is created, the observer, and what is observed, obviously, they are separated, and it is where the illusion is, I should say, the delusion, because your ''presence'', as any others presence, is created from ONE SINGLE SOURCE, and you bet it, that source is the source of the illusion of beingness itself, that source is as well the source of attention, for all living entities [we are on the section dealing with Eastern values of worship]
            But, that SOURCE is itself conceived as the true authorship of the whole illusion of persistence ! and, DOES NOT KNOW IT, because THAT NOT KNOWING, is how to make the whole thing to persist !

                This is why, in turn, you are not supposed to know that, in order to help the whole thing to be considerable...

            REMEMBER, THAT ''SOURCE'' IS CREATING THE ILLUSION OF PRESENCE YOU EXPERIENCE, WITHOUT KNOWING, THAT PRESENCE IS NOT YOUR CREATION...

               But all is designed as to give you the way out of that trick, the key out of it, is SURRENDER, which is something any soul is running away from, as it were the mother of all poisons.
                  But surrender, is just to put the veil down, it is the running from discovering the truth, that brought YOU in your condition of ''human being'' in the first place !

                         Surrender to the right owner of this universe is nothing less than knowing where the illusion is, the illusion of the individual self, and, once this is accepted, you realize that you are not ''separated'' from that single source of attention, in other words, you start to ''act'' in Krishna consciousness, and this is where it is ''indeed'', a PERSONAL MATTER, Krishna, is a personal GOD, creating for everyone the illusion of individual ACTUAL SELF, HE IS, PERSONALLY, THE ILLUSION THAT EVERYONE IS EXPERIENCING, WHAT IS OBSERVED, THIS UNIVERSE, AND THE ''OBSERVER'' YOURSELF!

                  Yes, we are dealing with ''personal worship'' here, and this is when the individual understands that there is no separation between that personal God, and one's actual self, when one comes to that SELF-REALIZATION, something happens, something opens, DATAs, long being kept out of reach, start to pour in! That is holy knowledge, that only those who surrender their cherished Egos, can have access to...

 
  Remember what I said in the beginning: THE ONLY GOD TO WORSHIP, IS YOURSELF! The above is what SELF-REALIZATION IS ALL ABOUT!



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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2017, 08:47:12 PM »


  As promised, here is what is going on, at the highest level of reflections


               From human perspective, the seven chakra, or CROWN CHAKRA, is the screen on which is projected your actual life time, frame by frame...

                             that crown chakra, a cluster of entities, is ''activated'' by the identification of the soul to its own self, and, of course, the projection comes from the record of all your life time, kept by the Genetic Entity, itself the individual reflection of the global record, Shiva, the keeper of all past and future events...

                The same happens at the highest level of reflections:

                      Shiva, is like the CROWN Chakra, the screen on which is projected to the Static, or Brahman, the whole record of Mankind consciousness history, the IDENTIFICATION OF THE STATIC, BRAHMAN, OR PARATMANAM, TO THE CROWN CHAKRA,SHIVA, ACTIVATES THE SCREEN ON WHICH THE WHOLE RECORD OF THIS UNIVERSE IS PROJECTED, ONE LIFE TIME AT A TIME!!

                In this configuration, KRISNA is LIKE  the ''GENETIC ENTITY '' THE VITUAL SELF RECORD OF ALL SELVES. projecting on the static  ''personal'' screen, SHIVA, one life time record at a time, [EACH INDIVIDUALIZED SOUL is ONE OF the static's attention point] ALL IN THE SAME TIME !! KRISHNA himself being THE SUPREME SELF REFLECTION FROM all separate living entities, in  ONE VIRTUAL SELF RECORD !! > So, we are dealing with a ''mechanism'' of infinite reflections, where time itself is reflected in its globality, towards, all separated time views points, and back ! Through a kaleidoscopic personal Godhead, KRISHNA !

 In summary, the Static is THE WITNESS, as [individualized] souls, the recorded movie, is KRISHNA,
 Projecting on a COSMIC screen, SHIVA, each recorded life time.., experience one at a time, by the individualized soul, AND all at once... by the Static! {Brahman}


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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2017, 10:59:54 PM »
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Re: Samkhya
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2017, 11:41:02 AM »


  As promised, here is what is going on, at the highest level of reflections


               From human perspective, the seven chakra, or CROWN CHAKRA, is the screen on which is projected your actual life time, frame by frame...

                             that crown chakra, a cluster of entities, is ''activated'' by the identification of the soul to its own self, and, of course, the projection comes from the record of all your life time, kept by the Genetic Entity, itself the individual reflection of the global record, Shiva, the keeper of all past and future events...

                The same happens at the highest level of reflections:

                      Shiva, is like the CROWN Chakra, the screen on which is projected to the Static, or Brahman, the whole record of Mankind consciousness history, the IDENTIFICATION OF THE STATIC, BRAHMAN, OR PARATMANAM, TO THE CROWN CHAKRA,SHIVA, ACTIVATES THE SCREEN ON WHICH THE WHOLE RECORD OF THIS UNIVERSE IS PROJECTED, ONE LIFE TIME AT A TIME!!

                In this configuration, KRISNA is LIKE  the ''GENETIC ENTITY '' THE VITUAL SELF RECORD OF ALL SELVES. projecting on the static  ''personal'' screen, SHIVA, one life time record at a time, [EACH INDIVIDUALIZED SOUL is ONE OF the static's attention point] ALL IN THE SAME TIME !! KRISHNA himself being THE SUPREME SELF REFLECTION FROM all separate living entities, in  ONE VIRTUAL SELF RECORD !! > So, we are dealing with a ''mechanism'' of infinite reflections, where time itself is reflected in its globality, towards, all separated time views points, and back ! Through a kaleidoscopic personal Godhead, KRISHNA !

 In summary, the Static is THE WITNESS, as [individualized] souls, all the recorded individual movies, is KRISHNA,
 Projecting on a COSMIC screen, SHIVA, each recorded life time.., experience one at a time, by the individualized soul, AND all at once... by the Static! {Brahman}


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  You certainly remember watching the night sky, in admiration of all these stars and galaxies, and may be, you never though it was a giant screen, or may be, you got that feel, this is an individual personal projection, the movie of your life time, but the sky is to be seen by everyone, so we are dealing with individual records, as well as a collective one, the collective record, has its individualized part just for you, and the virtuality of all those individual records of action or karmas is held in on single virtuality, this gives that collective virtual entity the power to project reality on a clustered global entity, playing the role of a giant screen, that projection is watched by each of us...one life at a time...

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Consciousness is a Self delusion, awareness its dissolution..